tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post2692108225754161911..comments2024-01-12T04:58:49.069-05:00Comments on Kyrie, Eleison!: On Forgiveness and AtonementAnastasia Theodoridishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-90507670052174738882011-04-17T23:46:17.604-04:002011-04-17T23:46:17.604-04:00(Hm, I posted this once before but blogger gave me...(Hm, I posted this once before but blogger gave me an error. Let's try this again.) <br /><br />Hi again<br /><br />Thank you for the link, and for the thoughtfulness and graciousness here. <br /><br />Much of my response was framed specifically to address the critiques raised by Mr Martin in his earlier article. Even the wording and the framing were often borrowed from him to show that, even within his own framework, the criticisms did not stand. <br /><br />I have no wish to argue with your thoughts here; I sympathize with many of them. <br /><br />Still, for a response to a particular article, I would not change the response that I had made to Mr Martin, since it was the best way I can find to respond to those particular criticisms in a way that might be understood by someone who thinks in those terms. <br /><br />The thing you've made me consider is how much a third-party reader would understand, not having read the original article to which I was responding. I wonder if I might do well to add some more material there, to make the context more apparent to those who had not read the original article. <br /><br />Take care & God bless<br />Anne / WFWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-25235820507547005612011-04-15T16:45:09.146-04:002011-04-15T16:45:09.146-04:00I know you have a lot here -- "atonement"...I know you have a lot here -- "atonement" is another good search word, as I recall -- and once I did search and bookmark on behalf of a young friend. For myself, I think I must copy the text into a document which I can then print off and read more carefully. I am not very good at protracted reading-thinking at the computer monitor.GretchenJoannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13641677400029070452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-64742762690774586342011-04-15T16:35:41.238-04:002011-04-15T16:35:41.238-04:00GretchenJoanna, if it may help, you could search m...GretchenJoanna, if it may help, you could search my blog, using the box near the top right of it, on "justice" and find reams of material. Most of it isn't really relevant, being mere passing mentions of the word, but some of it you may perhaps find useful.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-78237123378012687252011-04-15T16:13:10.105-04:002011-04-15T16:13:10.105-04:00The Lord said:
For I desired [from you] mercy, an...The Lord said:<br /><br />For I desired [from you] mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.<br /><br />Hosea 6:6<br /><br />God's justice means God gets what He really wants. Not the legalities, but the substance.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-76569102054070908342011-04-15T12:13:07.456-04:002011-04-15T12:13:07.456-04:00Thank you, Anastasia - and David. I appreciate you...Thank you, Anastasia - and David. I appreciate your efforts to get through my Protestant mindset to enlighten me with a good understanding. I trust that my heart is there, even when my feeble mind is slow to learn, and of course will never fully comprehend.GretchenJoannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13641677400029070452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-4174854545772336922011-04-15T04:27:15.245-04:002011-04-15T04:27:15.245-04:00I'm not familiar with either the blog or its a...I'm not familiar with either the blog or its author, but I can sympathize with her view predominately because it is apparent she has no other possibility in mind. Sin is punished. God will exact His justice. There is no other way.<br /><br />In fact, when we were considering Orthodoxy, the atonement STILL didn't make sense to me for quite a few months. It took some time for my mind to "undo" all of the sin=punishment, atonement=taking on my punishment ideas and for me to realize that rather than cosmic "justice," God was fixing a car, healing a patient, putting the roof back on a destroyed house or re-paving a driveway.<br /><br />The problem wasn't that I was "guilty" (I was that, of course, but that wasn't my predominate problem). The problem was I was sick, broken, dying, deformed, crippled. Once I learned to view my problem in those terms, the atonement made more sense than it ever did under the sin/justice/punishment paradigm.David Garnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885067733992577305noreply@blogger.com