tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post834805234419191353..comments2024-01-12T04:58:49.069-05:00Comments on Kyrie, Eleison!: The Orthodox Through Catholic EyesAnastasia Theodoridishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-18257891296489590262009-12-18T09:40:59.535-05:002009-12-18T09:40:59.535-05:00Fascinating!!
I am really looking forward to your...Fascinating!!<br /><br />I am really looking forward to your next post - this question has puzzled me for a while now. Have a safe flight. SEAL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-42648137756984522312009-12-18T07:07:33.922-05:002009-12-18T07:07:33.922-05:00Tad, I asked your question, and it turned out to b...Tad, I asked your question, and it turned out to be THE topic of the whole evening! Answer in a nutshell: the pope. And the increased numbers of faithful.<br /><br />I'll elaborate on that a bit in another post, but right now I'm off to catch a plane. Going to a chrismation out of town.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-80362161736750650842009-12-16T12:48:47.927-05:002009-12-16T12:48:47.927-05:00I would love to hear the answer! It seems to me t...I would love to hear the answer! It seems to me that this is the crux of the discussion on reunification. If people can't answer the question, "What's in it for me?", then the conversation will never get past pleasantries and polemics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-12009502888714031442009-12-16T00:51:46.969-05:002009-12-16T00:51:46.969-05:00Well, his book is on the subject of politics, so p...Well, his book is on the subject of politics, so perhaps that's why.<br /><br />However, as I told Andrea, I've encountered this attitude regularly among Catholics. And yes, it is quite remarkable.<br /><br />You know what? I'm going to a gathering on Thursday evening of Catholics and Orthodox, and I'm going to pose your question to them. I'm going to ask, "What do you think you need from us, and what do you think we need from you?" I'll let you know the results.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-24585261625020940042009-12-15T12:15:17.931-05:002009-12-15T12:15:17.931-05:00I reread your quote, and I can only think that Mar...I reread your quote, and I can only think that Martin must be an isolated voice in the RCC in order to make the odd logical leap from "georeligious" to "geopolitical". Does it not even occur to him that what most Orthodox want from other Christians is Orthodoxy -- correct theology embodied in correct worship?<br /><br />Yes, there may be those Orthodox leaders who clamor for a spot on the world stage as a matter of survival, as does the EP seeking for a toehold against the Turkish government. But for the most part, ISTM that their messages are still primarily theological, which is an aspect that Martin does not even mention. How odd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-56957435929703247702009-12-14T21:54:57.677-05:002009-12-14T21:54:57.677-05:00Perhaps this passage answers that question, Tad. ...Perhaps this passage answers that question, Tad. They seem to think we crave earthly power and glory, feel it in our bones.<br /><br />They can supply some measure of it. <br /><br />Not, ISTM, as much as they think.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-38629210450857495492009-12-14T13:09:30.262-05:002009-12-14T13:09:30.262-05:00I'm still trying to figure out what the Roman ...I'm still trying to figure out what the Roman Catholic Church thinks would be so appealing to the Orthodox for them to seek unity. What does the Roman Catholic Church think they can brin to the table? What is it that they think the Orthodox feel that they lack?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-44002713960076654352009-12-12T10:55:04.721-05:002009-12-12T10:55:04.721-05:00Dear Andrea,
You do make a good point. NOT all C...Dear Andrea,<br /><br />You do make a good point. NOT all Catholics think the way this Pope did (John Paul II). I have long-standing and close (family)connections with a lot of Catholics and most of them don't seem to think this way. Perhaps I should have titled this post, "The Orthodox Though One Pope's Eyes". <br /><br />But I'm sorry to tell you that this is an attitude I've encountered not only in this book, but also among quite a lot of Catholics, both in person, in ecumenical dialog groups, and in Internet discoussion groups. More often it comes from priests than from laypeople, but not exclusively. And the Orthodox have encountered it far too often, in concrete historical forms, for centuries. It keeps rearing its head; it doesn't seem to go away. It glares through the Catechism of the Catholic Church; see the section on Religious Liberty. <br /><br />And isn't a pope, after all, a pretty good representative of Roman Catholicism? Or supposed to be?<br /><br />I'm grateful to find, so far, none of that attitude in the current pope and also none of it in you.<br /><br />As for my other posts, I was discussiong specifically Vatican foreign policy, which I think pretty clearly does not involve all Catholics, at least not directly.<br /><br />This book isn't fiction, although the same author has written 2 that are, <i>The Final Conclave</i> and <i>Windswept House</i>. (The latter he says he had to present as fiction, but it is largely historical.)<br /><br />The author is a loyal and devout Catholic, and very much on the pope's side. He's disappointed that John Paul II conscientiously decided NOT to reform his own house, not to try to reverse the decay and not even to try to stop it's progression. But the papal politics he is very proud of and pleased with. In fact, as I mentioned, he considers the pope to have played a much greater role on the word stage than most people think. He is eager to document it all in enormous, admiring detail.<br /><br />And the "coruption" he is so disappointed this pope didn't clean up isn't what you may think, either. The "corruption" consists of Catholics who want the papacy shorn of this sort of secular-style power. <i>That</i> is the only "conspiracy" he talks about.<br /><br />The author considers the Jesuits to have betrayed the pope and the faith, I believe, from the non-fiction work he has also written on that subject. That book sits on my nightstand, next in line for me to read.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-60822647345425688772009-12-12T09:22:45.068-05:002009-12-12T09:22:45.068-05:00May I please ask a favor? Please do not lump all ...May I please ask a favor? Please do not lump all Catholics together when making these sweaping statements. I (a convert to Catholism as an adult) would never think to consider your faith as an "ancient tradition...today avails them not." Clearly, given your blog posts...your faith is the center of your being. <br /><br />I understand completely that you have theological issues with the papacy. There are things Orthodox churches do that I have theological differences of opinion with and if someone tried to tell me I was merely being predjudiced I'd be upset as well. <br /><br />But I am upset...lately anytime you bring up Catholics...you paint us all with one large angry brush. And while perhaps you have reason to feel that about some of the heirarchy...the Catholic neighbor down the street, probably feels as I do. Please realize that people of faith follow many different paths. I sometimes wonder upon reading your comments about Catholics if you feel I am not as Christian as you. This makes me rather sad, as I think of you as a dear sister in Christ.<br /><br />Lastly, perhaps there is a reason Mr. Martin is a former Jesuit? Perhaps his views are not in line with the Jesuits? Or with the Roman Church at large? As I understand it...this is a fiction book. If there is one thing I've learned about the world wide Church as a convert to Catholocism, it's that due to the size, scope and influence of the Church as an international organization...it makes us a good target for every conspiracy group to come along. <br /><br />Thanks<br />AndreaAndreanoreply@blogger.com