tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post9183531564680550270..comments2024-01-12T04:58:49.069-05:00Comments on Kyrie, Eleison!: ...and Not by Faith, EitherAnastasia Theodoridishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-24795618618128971072011-02-21T18:58:17.148-05:002011-02-21T18:58:17.148-05:00You're right. I was thinking of your posting, ...You're right. I was thinking of your posting, A Hidden Gem (Jan. 30). Sorry for the confusion.joel in ganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-83368900419025126902011-02-21T14:01:21.703-05:002011-02-21T14:01:21.703-05:00??? That's not what I wrote about here, althou...??? That's not what I wrote about here, although I have written that in other posts. <br /><br />No, I don't have a quote for you. The idea of a retaliatory or vindictive god was so foreign to the Fathers (Eastern ones, anyway; not sure about, for example, St. Augustine) that I don't know whether they even wrote against it. They were, of course, familiar with God's chastisement.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-53757866962742111292011-02-21T13:28:45.164-05:002011-02-21T13:28:45.164-05:00If St Paul taught it, that's certainly suffice...If St Paul taught it, that's certainly sufficent for belief. Did any of the later Fathers also write as you did about how God, in love, does not keep an account of our wrongdoings?joel in ganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-37468026125066894112011-02-21T11:03:31.491-05:002011-02-21T11:03:31.491-05:00In fact. I should have cited the entire passage, b...In fact. I should have cited the entire passage, beginning with v. 4 and ending with v. 10:<br /><br /><i>4 But God, who is rich in mercy, <b>because of His great love with which He loved us</b>, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.</i>Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-51944505727750259602011-02-21T10:51:17.138-05:002011-02-21T10:51:17.138-05:00St. Paul taught it, see Ephesians 2:8-9.St. Paul taught it, see Ephesians 2:8-9.Anastasia Theodoridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092531121989260111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6546468339418636140.post-61954954783036802712011-02-20T21:32:18.266-05:002011-02-20T21:32:18.266-05:00That's a wonderful thought. Do you know of any...That's a wonderful thought. Do you know of any of the fathers who have taught along the same lines?joel in ganoreply@blogger.com